Find out about all the goofs from "Star Trek: Voyager" Nothing Human (TV Episode 1998) on IMDb. So, what about the episode itself? Voyager celebrated its 100th episode with "Timeless" and the Borg Queen even returned. With Kate Mulgrew, Robert Beltran, Roxann Dawson, Robert Duncan McNeill. On another level, I wish stuff like Torres' skills are too important to lose would have come up more often in the show because sometimes Voyager doesn't feel like a ship stranded ~70 years from home with no resources, it feels like a ship that's ~70 hours from the nearest Starbase. See … Hey so i just watched this for the first time in years and thought it brought up a great moral conundrum. Recreate the experiments in an approved manor, reference the work done so you avoid suffering, and prove it works using accepted means, using the unethical means as something of a map. EMH: And, since I was the only crewmember who could survive the corrosive atmosphere, it was up to me to retrieve the data module and save the day. Nothing Human Star Trek: Voyager Season 5. [Presumably.]. Star Trek news and discussion. — Krell . The Bajoran was difficult to take seriously (dammit, man, it's a hologram, not a mass-murderer). Reddit; Mail; Embed; Permalink ; Loving Vincent (2017) Category: Mystery. Does Tom Paris end up in charge of the inevitable black market? This episode was released on VHS, paired with "Infinite Regress". Tomatometer Not Yet Available TOMATOMETER Critic Ratings: N/A Critics Consensus. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Yep, as you've probably guessed, Moset was an evil scientist, something which Starfleet is completely unaware of but a random Bajoran crewman on Voyager isn't (at least Star Wars has the force to explain coincidences like this :). I'm all for taking the moral high ground, but in this instance, they're really just picking a selective point in history and tossing it out because this was the most recent. I love the philosophy of voy so much. It will be voted on next week. It also addressed the we're stranded here issue in a serious, grown-up manner. When the wave has passed, Janeway orders all stop and damage assessment. Star Trek: Voyager Rewatch: “Nothing Human ” Keith R.A. DeCandido. Sadly the Voyager writers didn't seem to think audiences could handle an actually tough ethical situation. I've always felt that Nothing Human was more of a DS9 season three episode vs. a Voyager episode, but it is what it is. This episode was released on VHS, paired with "Nothing Human". It is a Season Five episode called (5.08) "Nothing Human". Nothing Human Stardate: Unknown Original Airdate: 2 December 1998 [Holodeck] (The Doctor is showing off the photographs he has taken with his holo-imager. Year of Hell and The Killing Game are also two examples of why said pragmatism was necessary. In fact, the loss of crewmen/shuttles/torpedoes etc shouldn't be treated as mundane at all, they should be an opportunity to differentiate Voyager (from other Trek) and to show our character's having to make tough decisions and winning through their resourcefulness. Obviously we discuss the ends justifying the means for a while until Janeway decrees that the Doctor must save Torres (despite the patient's wishes). Specifically, do opponents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki refuse to use information obtained from those detonations regarding the effects of the bombings, the yield, and so on? Thanks for this. The Doctor is a walking medical encyclopedia, and even he can't do what Moset can. Does she feel that Tom let her down; will this undermine their (potential) future together? I'm planning to do another post on this at some point (hopefully). It's a good episode, but it's definitely on the wrong show. Does she feel that every breath she takes from now on will be tainted by the suffering of Moset's victims? the patient) refuses to have the procedure performed because she thinks it would be validating Moset's methods and compromising herself (and so would rather die; which obviously makes Tom super unhappy). This is a great decision on the part of the writers because on a meta-level, we want to see how our characters act (whether we agree with their choice or not) when the 'chips are down' not when everything is going great ("it's easy to be a saint in paradise"). Summary: Stardate: UnknownWhen an alien attaches itself to B'Elanna's nervous system, the Doctor enlists the help of a holographic recreation of an expert. They've already used it so you could argue deleting it is kinda hypocritical. The key moment of the episode is the ethical debate scene with Tom advocating against Torres' wishes while it's also pointed out there is a good chance that the injured alien will die if the procedure is performed. When an alien attaches itself to B'Elanna's nervous system, the Doctor enlists the help of a holographic recreation of an expert. Seriously, TNG/DS9 can have these mundane problems solved between episodes because they're in the Alpha quadrant but Voyager can't/shouldn't. It was a waste of life to not use that research. I am not a big fan of throwing away knowledge regardless of the source. I came across an old episode of "STAR TREK VOYAGER" that I have not seen in a long time. It would have been pretty jarring in Star Trek for Janeway to go "Sorry Ensign Jones, this torpedo is more valuable than you are, we have to leave you behind. I also like how Janeway leaves the choice of whether to keep Moset's program up to The Doctor. But if it doesn't carry over, does it really matter? What a brilliant analysis! The sad truth is a lot of our medical knowledge has come from brutal practices. In TOS/TNG/VOY in particular, (but plenty of ENT/DS9), we have to see a complex subject handled in a one-hour show. What's the problem with episode on a series level? The season finale of "Equinox" saw Federation fighting Federation, something that Roddenberry would never have … How could the computer create Moset and have him justify his atrocities when Starfleet didn't even know and thus couldn't program him to? They're conflicted about using the data and ultimately decide to use it because of Torres' skills...but what if it was a redshirt?! "You had no right to make that decision for me!" And, of course, even abortion foes don't refuse to use knowledge of human development from embryo to baby derived from aborted fetuses, as far as I know, especially when it might save their child. Far to often, when a Trek crew is presented with a no win scenario, where they have to choose, yes or no, some third option will materialise and get them out of jail. (sarcastic/outraged Tom Paris). Now, you could of-course argue that the Maquis/Seven perfectly fill in all the missing skills and that Starfleet ships carry redundant crew just in case but you know what's more interesting than solving a problem off-screen? The sad truth is a lot of our medical knowledge has come from brutal practices>. Imagine if at the end of Caretaker, we were told that Voyager had 'X crewman, Y shuttles, Z torpedoes' and the show was written in that context, the characters would have had so many more opportunities to prove themselves (and win the audience over in the process). What I mean is, it's like when Nog gets injured; that's a serious injury and it carries over and shows that when things go wrong they can have unpleasant consequences. This was an interesting and very thought-provoking episode in my opinion. Or, better, if Janeway had made the decision knowing it would cause the alien's death. But to not use the information to save a life would mean that all those Bajorans died for nothing. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the DaystromInstitute community. It really makes you think whether or not you should side with the Doctor or if the Cardassian arguments has some merit. That's a good point about the EMH, it shows the struggle he's going through...although I think it would have been nice if he'd challenged Janeway a little more; after all he's being ordered to operate on a patient against her will. Voyager starts to receive news from home, both good and bad. Directed by David Livingston. Do foes of firearms or firearms used in crime refuse to use information about their medical effects? This post is a paean (slight exaggeration) to the Voyager series 5 episode 'Nothing Human' followed by a mini-rant critique of where the episode falls down on a series level. If there is knowledge gained from the pain of others it is almost an insult to the victims to throw said knowledge away, it honors the ones who suffered to use that knowledge to prevent further suffering/ignorance what have you. For example, the construction of the Delta flyer is one example where they were confronted with a problem and actually showed initiative to try and solve it; as opposed to, 'hey we can just technobabble an existing shuttle off-screen'. Created by Rick Berman, Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor. I would have loved if, just occasionally, Janeway made decisions about conflicts and whether to make choices because they couldn't spare the torpedoes to blow something/someone up. … That's why I said "the episode as a concept"...you're right, the actual plot that puts the concept into practice makes little sense :). The crew tracks the wave's ion trail and finds a stranded vessel with a wounded alien on board. With Kate Mulgrew, Robert Beltran, Roxann Dawson, Robert Duncan McNeill. It makes no sense to delete the program. I spent a lot of season 3-4ish saying, "ok, so how many torpedoes are left?" It's not bad. To be sure, we don't want to incentivize it, just as anti-abortion folks refuse anything that might incentivize abortion, so it makes some sense on that level (which, notably, does not really apply to Voyager), but there is plenty of knowledge obtained by mankind on many subjects that might be considered wildly unethical insofar as how it was obtained. You could tell the crew that you deleted it, but you and the Doctor should know that it's available when needed. Nothing Human. Or kept the information gained. And if you're missing out on enjoying this story, you're missing one of Voyager's best for moral dilemma. The Doctor's situation is a tough one as well, and one that he doesn't have the answers to. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. I might also add a look at how this episode might have gone if the patient wasn't B'Elanna. Summary: A young man comes to the last hometown of Vincent van Gogh and investigates the artist’s final days there. Joined: May 17, 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:00pm 58 comments 2 Favorites [+] Screenshot: CBS “Nothing Human” Written by … The box set includes 7 DVD optical discs with all the episodes in season 5 with some extra features, and episodes have a Dolby 5.1 Digital Audio track. Launched in the year 2371, the Intrepid-class Federation starship USS Voyager was a ship built to return to Starfleet's founding principle of scientific exploration. Star Trek: Voyager is an American science fiction television series created by Rick Berman, Michael Piller, and Jeri Taylor. Nutshell: An interesting episode that specializes in pulling the rug out from under itself. Which means that no matter what they do, the research is out there. Nothing Humanis essentially a story about scientific ethics, about the question of what to do with information that was gathered through amoral means. Star Trek: Voyager "Nothing Human" Air date: 12/2/1998 Written by Jeri Taylor Directed by David Livingston. High concept episodes like "Course: Oblivion" took bold chances you wouldn't see in other Trek shows, yet "Nothing Human" felt like a classic Trek examination of human morals and beliefs. So, I strongly concur that Janeway should've kept the program, either in whole if needed or in part (e.g. (note: I'm talking about the episode as a concept not the acting etc...although all that is perfectly fine). In S1, there's some time spent on "Hey, we have limited resources, let's not waste anything," but that refrain all but vanishes in later seasons. then the same logic should apply to the Crell Moset program. We have a second fully functional medical hologram (something which we're told more than once Voyager can't make), based on researcher who Starfleet know well enough to give his hologram a fully-rounded personality but they know so little that they're unaware he's a supervillain. At least get a good thing out of tragedy and use the research that can never be recreated. What if it was Ensign Redshirt-of-the-week, or even better, a recurring minor cast member, like Vorik or Samantha Wildman, who are less important to the overall survival of the ship? Then of … http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nothing_Human_(episode). If Moset was a real alien who they met on their journey or if his evil work was a lot more secret than 'yeah, we've looked into the records and the crewman's story checks out' (or if the hologram was an old off-limits program in the database) it could have worked perfectly. The problem with the episode in some respects is a problem with the series. I would have really appreciated a statement, "good thing we mined that flobflormium and could make more torpedoes." The subject of research ethics is a complex issue and one could very well spend their entire lives theorizing, researching, and debating the topic. A Look Back at STAR TREK VOYAGER: "Nothing Human" Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Fish1941, May 27, 2009. Nothing Humanis very much an example of Star Trek: Voyagerdoing archetypal Star Trek, those abstract morality plays with elaborate prosthetics that offer commentary on contemporary conundrums. While responding to a distress call, Torres is 'facehugged' by an injured non-humanoid alien which parasitises her, using her as a life-support mechanism. I agree that more lasting consequences would have made for much better viewing, rather than the episodic nature of TNG. I agree there would have been more weight to the decision if the alien had died. Bliss is a cocktail of familiar Star Trek plot elements. It is however my personal belief that while it was obtained evilly not using what was learned to help is an insult to those who did suffer and a complete waste. It could be that there is simply nothing to see from its camera. Nevermind narration about replicator credits, show us what scarcity looks like - since Federation citizens (other than the Maquis) aren't familiar with it, how do they react? This obviously leads into our ethical debate for this episode with the Bajoran crewman threatening to resign; although how that works when you're stuck in the Delta quadrant is another question? It was fitting that the ship's captain, Kathryn Janeway, rose up through the science ranks rather than command. It's short sighted, ethically childish, and flat out stupid. It would have given Voyager a breath of fresh air and made it a very different series. I know this is old but I just found it and you're the only one who seems to get the real conversation here. Voyager 2 will reach there in a few years. Remember, Torres believed so passionately in not using Moset's research, that she was willing to die. This is actually extremely true part of pardoning the japanese for war crimes after world war 2 was the exchange of information gained by Unit 731 which made Nazi human experimentation look like a trip to disney land. It also encounters the Hirogens, who only live to hunt and have their sights on Voyager. Is she secretly happy that she is alive but feels guilty for about that? It's a good episode, but it's definitely on the wrong show. I did what I thought best. The comment/post has already been nominated. Press J to jump to the feed. No high-minded idealism, no "debating about the finer points of morality"; Torres is ultimately saved because her skills are too important to lose. We had a protracted discussion last episode about the comparative depth of Voyager. It would likely be useful in finding new ways to approach problems, new test and experiments, and in general, I do think working backward is a good exercise and would help science. I've always felt that Nothing Human was more of a DS9 season three episode vs. a Voyager episode, but it is what it is. What if it was Ensign Redshirt-of-the-week, or even better, a recurring minor cast member, like Vorik or Samantha Wildman, who are less important to the overall survival of the ship? The Doctor was clearly uncomfortable working with Moset up to that point and this really serves to further humanize The Doc and establish that he is much more than just a standard hologram. "And what emotion is that?" This was the final episode to be written by series co-creator Jeri Taylor. Me too...they don't get as much attention as the Klingons/Romulans etc which is a shame... Really great post. With regard to Torres' skills, Voyager loses at least 43 crewmen over the course of the series but as well as the emotional trauma of losing ~1/4 of the crew it should also have a practical effect. Not impossible but it definitely strains credibility. When an alien parasitically latches onto B'Elanna for survival, the Doctor calls upon a holographic Cardassian doctor for assistance, unaware he's a … To me the best thing to do is for the applicable scientist to commit themselves to demonstrating that the knowledge works and can be obtained ethically. When a bug-like alien latches onto B'Elanna, the Doctor consults a hologram of a … "Yes." It's not bad. This is an excellent review, and I'd ask M-5 to give you a nomination if it hadn't already been done. What are you thoughts? Seriously, how many are left?". Learn more about Daystrom's Post of the Week here. I know you're angry, but we need to put this behind us. . But at least they are using the information to do good things now, at least something good came of so much horribleness. "Star Trek: Voyager" Nothing Human (TV Episode 1998) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. However, Janeway (at Paris' urging) ordered the Doctor to operate on her, against her wishes and when Torres wakes up she is outraged. No slash fic. If they'd remembered what they done that could have had some impact going forward but as good as the episode is it doesn't real do anything for the series as a whole? Press J to jump to the feed. ... Maybe a little slash fic. They warp in, something BIG happens, they do something about … ...but to delete it after the fact is slightly pointless. I always liked this episode because I love cardassians, but your analysis really enriched the episode for me a lot more. Seven of Nine claims to have been assaulted by the arms trader who just sold new technology to Voyager. Ah, here I am, mission accomplished. [on the basis that if you're going to have crime, it should be organized crime] What illicit goods/services get traded for replicator credits? " Nothing Human " is the 102nd episode of Star Trek: Voyager, the eighth episode of the fifth season. "Is that an order?" But to just destroy the information means that all those lives ended for no reason, and that nothing good could ever come from it. But it was the entirety of Crell Moset's research, right? As it is, it's a great concept but the episode doesn't hold up well when you think about how the concept is portrayed. Yeah why did they need to add a personality element, bit silly but i guess they wanted an excuse to explore the theme, I don't see why they couldn't reimage the Cardassian. "I hope you can understand why I went against your wishes, B'Elanna. You could tell the crew that you deleted it, but you and the Doctor should know that it's available when needed. You're missing the most obvious issue with this episode—it makes no goddamn sense. OP is right, tension over the number of crewman would have made each fatality more intense, and they should have done much less to keep it dramatic. or the space vampire from The Man Trap. . The Cardassians certainly have it. If you really feel that using the program is endorsing Moset's methods, then don't use it at all. but that doesn't mean that the crew don't get all kinds of crap beaten out of them first. It makes no sense to delete the program. (Torres and Janeway). In the episode, Voyager's crew found a stranded vessel with a wounded alien on … As was said, the damage is only minor. There might be deus ex machina/reset button endings, sure; but that doesn't mean that the crew don't get all kinds of crap beaten out of them first. Retrospect 46m. I think it's a moral grey zone. A subreddit for in-depth discussion about Star Trek. ...and if the research they were talking about is what they learned from saving B'elanna, well, no bajorans were harmed in the making of that? (Memory Alpha; Voyager; Nothing Human). If you use that level of scrutiny all the time though, many episodes fall apart. I like the arguments quite a bit, but I take great exception to the methods used to present them. I agree this episode had great use of deus ex machina. But then Ensign Kim reports that a signal was downloaded into the ship's database when the wave hit. The damage is already done. This is an excellent review, and I'd ask M-5 to give you a nomination if it hadn't already been done. 17. If the knowledge was obtained via unethical means, I don't think it does anyone any good to just burn it. An injured, non-humanoid alien attaches itself to Lt. Torres. Remember that unethical research is incredibly valuable because it cannot be recreated. I think the only real issue with the episode is the lack of consequences with regard to Torres. Wow, this would have been an awesome idea because it's completely consistent with the UFP's ethics. OK, what's so special about this episode? a Kazon convoy but it gets reinforced with extra ships unexpectedly and Tuvok says 'Captain we can defeat them but we're critically low on X, I recommend we fall back'. Air Date: Dec 2, 1998 Letting our characters use their ingenuity to solve it on screen! This post is a paean (slight exaggeration) to the Voyager series 5 episode 'Nothing Human' followed by a mini-rant critique of where the episode falls down on a series level. Nothing Human. Find out when Star Trek: Voyager is on TV, including Series 5-Episode 8: Nothing Human. (note: I'm talking about the episode as a concept not the acting etc...although all that is perfectly fine) What's the set-up in 'Nothing Human'? Should they have taken the high road? Losing you was unacceptable. By using the unethical conclusions, to work backward, design a series of test and experiments to prove the same thing in a above and ethical manor, you may find paths you would not normally have. The other reason for why this episode works as a concept is why Janeway chooses to save Torres and it's not the reason that immediately comes to mind (apart from, this is a TV show obviously). Nothing our characters do actually happens in terms of affecting the series as a whole because they didn't actually do it in the first place. At least, we'd have our morals intact." Thank you! We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. I just kept thinking... turn him into something other than a Cardassian. Struggling to cope with the unusual case, The Doctor creates a holgraphic recreation of Crell Moset – an infamous Cardassian surgeon who reportedly experimented on Bajorans during the Occupation… The Trekzone Review. This would allow the knowledge to still benefit people, but still send a strong message that it is not how you should do it. I always liked this episode because I love cardassians. Janeway orders it played. If you thought VOY's crew weren't pragmatic when it was necessary, I'd encourage you to watch Tuvix and observe Paris' facial expression when Tuvix tries to appeal to Tom for his life. Nice posting--and not as ranty as promised : ). There was a huge debate over weather we should use the information. Torpedoes were just a little ornery. If they had the same concerns as Torres, would Janeway have said, "Fine, I'll let you die"? The Doctor soon suffers a crisis of conscience, however, when he learns that his new comrade is actually quite the war criminal… *** 9. Joined: Jul 11, 2017 Location: Tube 32. Janeway acts reasonable throughout the whole episode and Voyager's situation is used to the episode's advantage: B'Elanna is the only chief engineer that ship has and if she dies there isn't someone coming in to take her place; they need her. They should have kept the information gained. Instead we just get a reset which is a shame. We don't know because this incredibly weighty issue is never really addressed again, when it could have been a fascinating angle to pursue...but unfortunately not. Interestingly, your ending comments actually line up with comments made by Ronald D. Moore, one of the writers and producers from TNG and DS9, who came to work for Voyager after DS9 concluded. Imagine, if we had that traumatic moment and in the next episode he's just back to normal, without a care in the world; it robs the concept of so much of it's potential... Year of Hell and The Killing Game are also two examples of why said pragmatism was necessary. And then, "Using more torpedoes!?! The EMH lacks the specifics skills to remove the alien (and can't communicate with it) so consults the computer library which provides a medical text in the form of a holographic representation of the genius researcher, Dr. Crell Moset...who's a Cardassian (insert ominous music). I only got flustered by details that were unclear over many episodes, like number of torpedoes or crewman. Nothing Human – When B’Elanna Torres becomes attached (literally) to a very large symbiote, the Doctor creates a hologram of a Cardassian doctor who’s the galaxy’s foremost expert on exobiology. A page for describing Recap: Star Trek Voyager S 5 E 8 Nothing Human. "I'm the Captain. 16. Pulled to the far side of the galaxy, where the Federation is seventy-five years away at maximum warp speed, a Starfleet ship must cooperate with Maquis rebels to find a way home. "STAR TREK VOYAGER" RETROSPECT: (5.08) "Nothing Human" I came across an old episode of "STAR TREK VOYAGER" that I have not seen in a long time. Review by Jamahl Epsicokhan "Ethics are arbitrary." The plot could have worked perfectly but the writers were overly elaborate in the story. Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by cosmic mouse, Sep 20, 2017. cosmic mouse Commodore Commodore. 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I'll Be There,
Lds Depiction Of Jesus,
Hostel: Part Ii,
The Other Side Of The Wind,