Laura: Let's see. Until now, the fastest vaccine ever made - for mumps - took four years. This is an opportunity to catch it but for the purposes of helping thousands of other people not catch it. Laura: This is actually pretty well outlined by the World Health Organization. We'll continue in a moment. Scientists took about 300 years to lay out the Periodic Table into neat rows and columns. Before the break, we heard about this peculiar vaccine trial, which involves people volunteering to deliberately be infected with COVID, which sounds insane to me, although very noble. We don't even know why some people are fine and some people end up not being able to breathe. I don't have a family, I'm single, I don't have a lot to lose if something was bad to happen, but at the same time, maybe it's more just like, "Oh, I don't want my parents to get it and then die." Molly: It's long. Laura: Yes. Bill: Yes. David: I am a homo-sapiens male, age, 31 years. She'd be out there for hours, just her, nobody else and so she would listen to podcasts to pass the time. That's a very fast decision. A dream of mine came true today: I co-reported the latest Radiolab episode! Molly: I always feel there's testing on children that are involved or something. Laura: Yes, it was surprisingly low. Support Radiolab by becoming a member today at Radiolab.org/donate. Who are these people? This is really messed up. Estefania: It was like this dystopian reality going out while everyone was just saying in. This became live, I believe this was in April, May and now over 30,000 people have signed up. I mean because what we do know about COVID is that some people get it, no symptoms, and then some people get it and they die within a few weeks. This is Molly Webster at Radiolab. Laura: Exactly, right. Hilleman cranked out more than 40 other vaccines over the course of his career, including 8 of the 14 routinely given to children. Estefania: Yes, I am Estefania [unintelligible 00:13:14]. Molly: I think I just wonder probably more than 37,000 people watch that PBS NewsHour. I had to travel by bus and it's a 40-minute bus drive. Producer Sarah Qari brings us her version of the Christmas classic nobody ever dreamt they’d want to hear: The Twelve Numbers of COVID. Until now, the fastest vaccine ever made - for mumps - took four years. Let's put it this way, at this exact moment in time, definitely not, because I have a one-year-old son. Moderna says something pretty similar, AstraZeneca says three billion. By Joe Palca • 1 hour ago. What are the ebbs and flow at the petrol station during COVID? from New York Public Radio in accordance with our Terms of Use. Support Radiolab by becoming a member today at Radiolab.org/donate.  Â, Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. This is dispatch number 13, a lucky number that it is. This month, New Jersey is significantly expanding the pool of residents eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine, having recently added teachers and child care workers one week ahead of schedule. Who is this good? Special thanks to: by: Rachel Treisman . We're all being told to stay at home and we are powerless. I'm just wondering where you think that got built into you. There's a long way to go [unintelligible 00:04:47] numerical terms. It could be just math. There should be thinking that 200,000 people have died unnecessarily, since what? Laura: Right, that was what I was thinking. One of the reasons it happened so fast is there are just so many people out there with COVID right now. If you actually just simply look at the numbers, Pfizer says, I can do 1 billion, 1.2 billion doses by the end of 2021. They tested those vaccines on hundreds of thousands of people. Having a Nobel Prize in Physics does not qualify me to make pronouncements about any of these things, any more than any other person who is a scientist and loves to have good data. I think from a very young age, I had this idea that life was about being like Jesus and being good to people. There's-. From 'Jolene' To Vaccine: Dolly Parton Gets COVID-19 Shot She Helped Fund. Thanks also to Sam Kean, Chris Howk, Brian Fields and to Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg for the use of their song "Untold Story:The Edge of Sleep". These Phase … Laura: Human challenge trial is a really kind of at the heart of vaccine history. They're not going to go about their normal lives, they're going to live in some quarantined facility, they're going to get state of the art medical treatment. Nearly 6.8 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Janssen, a Johnson & Johnson subsidiary, have been delivered to the U.S. so far, according to figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. By submitting your information, you're agreeing to receive communications I actually saw a piece on PBS NewsHour about it, maybe back in April. Patients should be counseled on the importance of completing the two-dose series with the same vaccine … Even weirder, you can trace it back to one seemingly ordinary 8-month period in Holmesâs life when he seems to have done a logical U-turn on what should be say-able. Until now, the fastest vaccine ever made - for mumps - … It’s seen as a possible light at the end of what has been a dark tunnel of a year. The challenge trial would typically take about a month because you're intentionally infecting people who you know you're not going to give a vaccine candidate to, in this scenario. Laura: No. Anthony Lewis, Freedom for the Thought that We Hate: A Biography of the First Amendment. And while our current effort to develop a covid-19 vaccine involves thousands of people working around the clock, the mumps vaccine was developed almost exclusively by one person: Maurice Hilleman. You're like, "Five billion vaccines, that's amazing," but you need two doses per person so take that five billion and a half that so you're at 2.5 billion. Molly: Not only that, after we talked to Laura, the United Kingdom came out and said that they wanted to start a challenge trial with COVID with humans in January of 2021 but weeks away. I would also say he said if he was being totally honest, signing up also had a little to do with boredom. A new federal directive prioritizes employees in the education field for COVID-19 vaccine appointments. Were there moments where it just was dead quiet with no one or does the petrol station always stay busy? Radiolab explores the work Maurice Hilleman, who created over 40 vaccines, including one for mumps. Special thanks for this episode goes to Ab Rohrich, Andrew Catchpole, and our volunteers including Mary, Gabrielle, Paul, Gregory, Danica, Jennifer, and Debo. When you've grown up with-- and a cosmology, a complete and consistent cosmology that explains the universe and your part in it to basically not overnight, but over a relatively short period of time, realize that it's all garbage, leaves you floundering and thinking, "Well, fuck I need to replace it with something else. Feb. 8 from Greater LA. Molly: As most of you probably know, in the last few weeks, three different companies, Pfizer, Moderna, and AstraZeneca all announced COVID vaccines. Wade Payne / Invision/via AP. Molly: She told me those nights at the petrol station, we're like living on a planet of one. , Vous avez plus de 18 ans? This dispatch grew out of a simple conversation between our senior correspondent, Molly Webster, and reporter, Laura Rosbrow-Telem. This is Radiolab. Molly: Wow, that's very fast. It's on COVID vaccine trials -- specifically, about a controversial technique called a human challenge trial, in which human subjects are intentionally infected with the virus. David: I was very zealously religious when I was growing up, brought up in a Christian home, but attended an evangelical church when I was a teenager. I signed up for a challenge trial and after people started to question me, "Why are you doing this, Bill? The original one then this is a whole other wormhole that's quite fascinating, is that the first vaccine, smallpox, that was developed by this man named Edward Jenner, this was in 1796. WNYC's Radiolab Hosted by Jad Abumrad, ... Why are older Latino men so vaccine hesitant? Guess how he first came to the smallpox vaccine. Edward Dolnick, The Clockwork Universe: Isaac Newton, the Royal Society, and the Birth of the Modern World Molly: At what point did you bump into the notion of a challenge trial? This thing that we call altruism, it could interestingly be paired with a selfishness or self-interest of, you just want your life back, or it could be because you're looking out for a family member, your dad, your grandmother. Molly: I can tell you who to do it and I can tell you why, just after the break. People with Down syndrome, many of whom are now among the early vaccine recipients, are prone to serious illness or even death if they get COVID-19. Jad: After talking with all of these people, I'm curious, what are you left with in terms of-- Because our simple question going in, if I remember, was just like-- I don't even know what the question was. The Roxbury-based Whittier Street … In … Molly: Lehua, who had a little bit more of an analytical, utilitarian approach. Molly: Normally, Laura's a reporter for Public News Service but given how crazy everything's been, she was wondering if she could come up with a cool fictional scenario to do a story about. Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and was edited by Soren Wheeler. I'm a student and I did this brilliant plan in my mind where I was going to go work at night and then study during the daytime and I didn't factor in sleeping time. Molly: It feels like, oh, my God, there was a quiet movement growing in the background and I had no idea. This is Radiolab. I did a little bit of research to try to determine what were the chances that I would die, given my age, if I got the coronavirus. Merav Opher, an astronomy professor at BU, who now directs the SHIELD DRIVE Science Center which is studying the data collected by the Voyagers at the edge of the heavens, or--err, the âheliosphereâ as the scientists call it. And while our current effort to develop a covid-19 vaccine involves thousands of people working around the clock, the mumps vaccine was developed almost exclusively by one person: Maurice Hilleman. [chuckles]. Nazi doctors, they actually included these malaria tests as justification for their own medical experiments. further reading: Until now, the fastest vaccine ever made - for mumps - took four years. Listen 8 min. I searched for a new job in this chair. error_outline. Speaker 4: American pharmaceutical company Moderna says, its vaccine candidate is nearly 95% effective. How are you? Jad: He's saying that signing up for a challenge trial is like making up for the faith in God that He lost at some point. Listen only if you want a boatload of fresh air, fields of wildflowers, stars, birds, frogs, and a riveting tale involving Isaac Newton and a calm beyond any calm you knew could exist. I started a new job in this chair and now I'm talking about it in the same chair. In record time, it was blisteringly fast. None of these things necessarily feel like altruism but maybe they are. Actually, going to a biocontainment center for a bit would be quite exciting, quite nice.". Maybe they're the truer of the word. He … Laura: I have a feeling no because also if you think about a controlled setting, that could really complicate things because what if people get sicker if they're interacting with each other more. Dylan Keefe is our director of sound design. Share Tweet Email. The authoritative record of New York Public Radio’s programming is the audio record. I heard about 1Day Sooner and I went on the website while I was listening to the podcast. But the company says another large tranche of vaccine is on the way. Laura: That's the thing, is they've now developed into becoming much more informed and they have to volunteer to be in the studies because of the risk that you're asking people to go through, they are much, much, much more monitored than a typical phase III trial. mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) Preliminary data suggest high vaccine efficacy in preventing COVID-19 following receipt of two doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech: 95.0% [95% CI: 90.3%, 97.6%]; Moderna: 94.1% [95% CI: 89.3%, 96.8%]). Jad: Okay. Laura: Basically the point of it is instead of doing these field trials, which can be very expensive, it can take a while to recruit people, you have to be following thousands of people. I got a number of people asking me that because of my age. Molly: Then she says the journalist side of her kicked in and she thought to herself, "I wonder if this situation actually exists." I'm just going to say all of this in case it's helpful. What I'm really trying to understand is what is in you, Antonio, that got you to sign up? As we hit the one year mark since the first U.S. state (California) issued a stay-at-home order to prevent the spread of COVID-19, we put out a call to see if any of you would take us to your secret escape spot and record audio there. Molly: I would say that for me, altruism feels like a catch-all phrase that hides what people are actually on about, what they're really going for. Half the people get the vaccine candidate, half the people get the placebo, then you infect all of them and you wait to see if the vaccine candidate works or not. Molly: It was just like, why would you be motivated to do this? Support Radiolab by becoming a member today at Radiolab.org/donate. Molly: Yes, I think something like that. Molly: How do they know that they can keep subjects in this study safe? A vaccine for COVID-19 is on everyone’s minds right now. As it announced the problem in Baltimore, Johnson & Johnson also said it will meet its goal of … Molly: The other part of the ethical debate around these types of trials, Laura says, is their history, which isn't good. A syringe filled with the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine. Our staff includes Simon Adler, Jeremy Bloom, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Matt Kielty, Tobin Low, Annie McEwen, Sarah Qari, Arianne Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster, with help from Shima Oliaee, Sarah Sandbach and Jonny Moens. They had a lot of different reasons for signing up, not all of which felt exactly like the altruism I expected to find. Estefania: I can't remember specifically, but I remember being from all parts of the world, people from Rwanda, people from Brazil, people from Russia. One of the techniques researchers are using to speed up that process, is this thing that Laura came across when she was googling, is a trial where people intentionally get infected with COVID? Preregister at VaccineSignUp.mass.gov . These three vaccines are amazing but it doesn't mean we're out of the woods just yet. Estefania: I actually learned about the campaign through a podcast. Laura: You are very close. Accuracy and availability may vary. Paul Offit, a co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine who serves on the FDA's COVID vaccine advisory panel, said on a recent episode of the Radiolab podcast that vaccine research can take a … We have not done a coronavirus dispatch since this summer I think, so we're going to do one this week. It's like, "I can really use a change of scenery. Molly: Our fifth, and for now, last volunteer. Molly: He's just saying if I'm not scared to live another year, why would I be scared of getting COVID? In this soundrich, kaleidoscopic episode, we journey around the planet and then, quite literally, beyond it. Lynn Levy, who went on to host the space-a-licious series, The Habitat, and edit (among other things) the powerful and beautiful new podcast Resistance. It was just me and the driver. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. In a study of 30,000 volunteers, the Moderna vaccine was more than 94% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in people 18 and older. Intro: You're listening to Radiolab, from WNYC. Speaker 5: Breaking news from AstraZeneca overnight, the pharmaceutical company says its vaccine may be 90% effective in late-stage trials, making it the third drug maker. Speaker 1: Before we start, I just want to let you know there's a moment or two of strong language in this story. I think it's one thing that I wish we could still hold onto in this point in time. Listen to this episode from Radiolab on Spotify. What drives and why? Jad: Exactly. David: I retrained as a software developer in this chair that I'm sitting in. And as our staff tried to figure out what to do for our last episode of 2020, co-host Latif Nasser thought, what if we stare straight into the darkness … and make a damn Christmas special about it. Jad: Wow. A.J. Speaker: This is [unintelligible 00:25:51], calling from Fayetteville, Arkansas. Molly: Even though they've all been sick, they're not allowed to just hang out? February or March. Everything was deserted. Molly: You happen to be a Nobel Prize-winning scientist? Special thanks to Anna Weggel and Brant Miller, Catherine, Rohan, and Finn Munro, … Originally published on March 3, 2021 10:33 am . Molly: I just don't think a lot of people are thinking about how they can help others. The Science article that Sinan Aral wrote in 2018, along with Soroush Vosughi and Deb Roy: âThe Spread of True and False News Onlineâ Special thanks to Jenny Lawton, Soren Shade, Kelsey Padgett, and Soroush Vosughi. It's not like you have a good treatment if you're sick, we still don't know how to treat it. [chuckles] They can't talk to each other when they're isolated, they're in their room not able to interact with like-. Special thanks to Emotive Fruition for organizing poetry performances and to the mighty Sylvan Esso for composing 'Jaime's Song', both inspired by this episode. But actually snagging one can be … Until now, the fastest vaccine ever made - for mumps - took four years. Molly: That was her first thought, simply, I'm not alone. But through him we also see the struggle and the costs of these monumental scientific efforts. ET:) An earlier version of this article misstated that volunteers will be intentionally infected with Covid-19 as part of the experimental vaccine trial. I'm an experimental physicist, and-. It felt scary, but in a good way, it felt hopeful. Jad: Damn. It could be want of representation or there's a feeling of duty or country or community. The inoculated can’t throw away their masks as it’s not yet clear either vaccine prevents silent, symptomless virus spread. Youâll never look at that chart the same way again. It was more so about getting unstuck. Antonio: It's funny because I really thought it would have happened sooner, the challenge trials. Until now, the fastest vaccine ever made - for mumps - took four years. This could speed up the process for next generation vaccine candidates. That was the first step to getting the smallpox vaccine. It just made me think about those volunteers. I've been there three nights a week for the past two years now. Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser are our co-hosts. She hopped on Google. Check out Jaime Lowe's book Mental: Lithium, Love and Losing My Mind Hilleman cranked out more than 40 other vaccines over the course of his career, including 8 of the 14 routinely given to children. They were scientists, nurses, doctors, I think I read. He purposely infected his gardener's eight-year-old son. Actually, it's sort of funny. Molly: People would say that the medical experiments that the Nazis did were in a sense or are the original challenge trials? Thanks also to reporter Laura Rosbrow-Telem. In other words, at my age, the chances of me dying in the next year are a couple percent. I want to be someone who advocates for people like us. Molly: Yes, there's a list out there that has, I think at this point, over 37,000, 38,000 people on it, who have said, "Jab me with COVID, I'll take it." Pfizer: COVID-19 Vaccine Shows '100% Efficacy' In Adolescents . Zeynep Tufekciâs newsletter âThe Insightâ plus her book Twitter and Teargas: The Power and Fragility of Networked Protest Early on in the COVID-19 pandemic, the state of California designated truckers as essential workers, but that status hasn’t materialized into any tangible advantages or privileges: No requirements that rest stops remain open, no hazard pay, and no priority access to the vaccine. Molly: It's called a human challenge trial. Molly: I thought the whole point of challenge trials was volunteering. Molly: How did you stumble into the world of the story? That's very similar to the chances of dying if I actually catch COVID. It turned out it wasn't that different from the probability that I'll die within the next year anyway. We are all working very hard to avoid coronavirus and not get it and they're like, "Okay, how can I put myself in front of this moving train?" But there were only 200 vaccine doses available. Sinan Aralâs recent book The Hype Machine: How Social Media Disrupts Our Elections, Our Economy and our Health - And How We Must Adapt I talked to one expert and he was saying five to seven vaccines sounds like the better number and because of that, you need to have more vaccines in development and you need to keep that development moving fast. Speaker 5: Breaking news from AstraZeneca overnight, the pharmaceutical company says its vaccine may be 90% effective in late-stage trials, making it the third drug maker. At least that's what it sounds to me. This episode was reported by Matt Kielty and Heather Radke, and produced by Matt Kielty. When word went out that the Brazilian Worker Center in Allston was offering COVID-19 vaccines to the local community, 800 people called in hopes of getting one. From 'Jolene' To Vaccine: Dolly Parton Gets COVID-19 Shot She Helped Fund . Coronavirus vaccine at Publix Pharmacy. She's like, "If I'm going to get sick with this damn novel virus, I might as well do it in a way that's productive.". I am a photography student. Step 1: Find out if you can get a vaccine now. Why he changed his mind during those 8 months is one of the greatest mysteries in the history of the Supreme Court. I live in Los Angeles and I'm a filmmaker. March 3, 2021 - 4:05am. What we just broke down was the three vaccines that exist get us to 2.5 billion by the end of 2021. Estefania: [laughs] Yes, that's exactly it. And while our current effort to develop a covid-19 vaccine involves thousands of people working around the clock, the mumps vaccine was developed almost exclusively by one person: Maurice Hilleman. Molly: I'm trying to imagine anyone that would do this. Molly: If she got COVID in the wild, it wouldn't be for anything. Then she had a second thought, which is that as a brown person, she had to enter. Molly: Do you remember any of the things that you read that night? 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